[WarChiefFanguan]: I bet it has nothing to do with h

[WarChiefFanguan]: if only I could remember my HTML skills....

[Rondel]: To use the h tag to affect your font size, you need to use a number, not a letter, after the h -- the tag refers to a header level, and the higher the number, the lower the header size. h4 is equivalent to a bold version of the normal font size, and after that, the font sizes start getting smaller than average.

[Panda-monium]: hmmm...interesting, I only know h1, and h2. at least those are the ones I use. :P:P

[Vampire Mariam]: www.proletarianthreads.com ......get some cool anti bush tees......

[Vampire Mariam]: the got a cool shirt thats says f u g w, also have things that we could make into banners.....

[Mackenzie]: I see, but yu can't get it bigger unless you go into the negatives, and that wont work.

[Mackenzie]: f u g w????????????????

[Orey]: fuck you george w.

[Mackenzie]: cool. did you see feirenheit 9/11?

[Orey]: No, I don't think I did.

[Woah!-man]: o.o ... no, does micheal moore mess up w/some of the facts again (he does take a FEW things out of context)

[Mackenzie]: you need t see it, its really good. and nothing I saw was taken out of contex, unless it was something put in just for a laugh. He didn't mess up any facts.

[Woah!-man]: .... o.O i hope not XD .... i had to defend him in class for bowling for columbine.. i won... but barely *sighs*

[Mackenzie]: Bowling for columbine wasn't nearly as good.

[Panda-monium]: I ahvent seen the new one, but I have seen bowling for columbine and I loved it so...it must be amazing :P

[Woah!-man]: yea, but in bowling for columbine they messed up a lot of facts. and as liberal as i may be (sometimes down right radical hehe) >_> .... i do have a semi code of ethics.... >.< ,,, so you must research on it and check out the info for yourself. dont believe in everything you watch O_o

[Mackenzie]: exactly. I couldn't agree more, on both parts. That is why I'm saying with confidence that he didn't mess anything up. unforchanutly, i have these things called morals and ethics, which are quite a nuisance. Those and a concience...

[Woah!-man]: damn ... why cant we just get rid of them and all be armies of bush? *sighs* my problem, moore is ammusing, but he doesnt always present real fact.... >.< he persuades in a way that is quite unethical

[Mackenzie]: so what? it is ethical. its bush thats unethical!

[VorpalBlade910]: i visited the white house!!!!!! hehehehe

[Mackenzie]: haha!

[Woah!-man]: www.whitehouse.org hehe..

[Mackenzie]: http://www.marybmoore.com/elfsworld.html

[Rhynnea]: bush haters, u have my agreement!!!

[Woah!-man]: lol... good.

[Mackenzie]: yay.

[Alkor]: yup

[Mackenzie]: go to the site there. and find the part about the white hose... ITS SO FUNNY!

[Alkor]: okay then

[Mackenzie]: :)

[Woah!-man]: *Smiles* "you're standing on my neck"

[Mackenzie]: Daria!

[Woah!-man]: YUSH! XD!!! i luffs daria.. if she were gay.. i'd take her away ^.^;

[Mackenzie]: ....................

[Woah!-man]: sorry lol.... but ... i think she may ... dislike bush if she were still a continued character...

[Mackenzie]: continued? yep, she would definately hate him.

[Alkor]: eveyone hates bush...why bother

[Woah!-man]: my moms a republican *lowers head in a bit of shame*

[Alkor]: ohh

[Vampire Mariam]: half of my family is republican......i hade a pin with bush's face crosed out with the word lier and my cousins got mad, there like 6....they told me that "war is good".....

[Pale-Suzie]: that's just sad. that they raise their kids to believe that... i'm sure your family is good enough, but i can't understand why they believe that, and raise their kids to believe the same.

[Woah!-man]: because... ''war is good''.... .... it brings in massive amount of money to jump start any economy.. such as ww2 -.-;; the last war with an actual cause.

[Mackenzie]: brings in money? it wastes money and resourses.

[Panda-monium]: that is true, it hurts some parts of the economy, but it also jump starts one, because it makes jobs. Tons of jobs, so ne ways, Yes WW2 brought the world out of the great depression, to bad it had to take something like that to do it though. -_-

[Mackenzie]: and kills countless people...

[Woah!-man]: yes, kill countless. but remember, those lost are sacrificing themselves for the better good *rolls eyes*

[Panda-monium]: omg, lets not talk about this, I am already about to club Oryx over the head :P:P *evil grin*...Whats that? I think it is the subject changing.

[Panda-monium]: So how is everyone today?

[Woah!-man]: lol, you shant club my head! lol... besides, i was teasing miss panda.. and be nice lol.

[Panda-monium]: lol, hehe :P:P I was teasing to, hence the :P:P smilies

[Woah!-man]: no, i saw no smiles... only an evil grin lol.

[Panda-monium]: well look again

[Woah!-man]: now i see a smirk..... O_O! save my sides XD

[Panda-monium]: they arent going to know what your talking about...and NEVER!

[Woah!-man]: ha! i win ^^; so what .. no one knows what im talking about half the time, doesnt bother me any lol.

[Panda-monium]: never said it did, just thought I'd remind you. and so what, you win this round...*evil glare* =_= But next time...next time

[Woah!-man]: *evil laughter*.. have to work on it.. ''bwah.... hahaha...haha...ha" lol.

[Mackenzie]: but no... not only those.. what about all the innicent people, and all the people drafted on our side... but when they bomb, do you think its onlt the army they kill???

[Woah!-man]: not quite no. but civilian casualties is always to be expected.... O.O i mean... tell me one ... one war that has never involved civilians... thinking that civilians ARE apart of a country.. .are they not foe or allies?

[BarleySinger]: Guess what...the elftown guards took off my image for Stop Millitary Slavery on the grounds that it violated the rules on art. It seems that the rules now say you cannot even have a photomanipulation based on an image that is public domain.  In the process (well at least on my computer) they nukes the wiki back to version one killing all the quality content (quotes from a general and the links to the bills before the government) and all the comments. My wife can see them for some reaon (maybe its her cache) but I can't.

[Rondel]: Problem solved... ...the wiki is still in existence, though the art may not have been restored yet (it *is* permissible, however, and that's been verified with the guards).

[Mackenzie]: This sucks. Military people are not Celebritys...

[Woah!-man]: :-/ no.. but treated as the same.

[Alkor]: why? then everyone in the world tht was a military person would be a celebrity and tht would suck ass

[Woah!-man]: .... well, if you're a soldier in the us army *as far as i can tell* you get special treatment.. especially when you come from here... >.<

[Alkor]: okay

[Mackenzie]: no..... no... no.

[Woah!-man]: so i took it wrong? but as i was simply stating thats life here >_>

[Alkor]: yup....

[Woah!-man]: so.... *looks around* ..... your thoughts on anything alkor is... (boredom asks to see your view of things ^^;)?

[Alkor]: nuthin comes to mind

[Mackenzie]: lol... were is here oryx?

[Alkor]: i dunno

[Woah!-man]: here.... oregon.. >_>

[Alkor]: here Washington

[Woah!-man]: O_O eee >.<

[Alkor]: lol

[Mackenzie]: oh... I see, why is every thing so different in oregan?

[Dil*]: hey alkor...you arent on the members list, yet you are always here...?

[Mackenzie]: true.... maybe she doesn't hate bush?

[Dil*]: umm it's a guy.

[Woah!-man]: O_O you should... oregOn... is mostly conservitist... its either right wings or extremist left wings... hard to find a person in the middle usually.

[Dil*]: i'm a leftist ^__^

[Mackenzie]: I am an extream liberalist....

[Woah!-man]: so you're both left wings.. >_> i as well... but once again i assert the point, ppl here are usually extreme right wing conservitive kkk members *hides*

[Mackenzie]: i feel sorry for you.....

[Woah!-man]: eee.. its okay. i've been stoned enough to know dont let ppl scare you too much. fuck w/em first and they wont mess w/you.

[Mackenzie]: ok..... good to know...

[Woah!-man]: sorry... err.... >_> anyways.... whats it like where you're from mackenzie

[Mackenzie]: typical south. rednecks and conservatives..... but then theres my family.... my sibling are more liberal than I am.

[Woah!-man]: ^^ but thats a good thing no?

[Mackenzie]: yes, it is ^^

[Woah!-man]: XD congrats. btw, happy 4th of july.... >.< if i ruled this country, things would be a lot different and you would enjoy the celebrations lol..

[Mackenzie]: happy 5th!

[Zulu]: Great it's time to crack open the champaign(over bush's head)

[Lord Kügenheim]: no! dont you dare waste champers!!! Red stains use that!

[Captain Anarchy]: anyone know how to make separate pages in wikis?

[Mackenzie]: yes.

[Peregrinus]: This sounds like an interesting wiki...

[Panda-monium]: oh it is

[Peregrinus]: I can tell. It's a good association to have.

[Panda-monium]: ^_^ :P:P yeah. the conversations have been a bit varied lately though :P:P

[Panda-monium]: not that that is a bad thing ;) :P

[Mackenzie]: true...

[Panda-monium]: hehe...unfortunately it means there havent been ne good discussions, or debates lately, but I suppose thats not always bad ^_^

[Mackenzie]: anyone want to start one?

[Panda-monium]: I really cant tonight, i would love to, but I cant I am busy. -_- argh, I hate being busy.

[Mackenzie]: awww. I am sorry. What are you doing?

[Panda-monium]: well, writing, but doing that very insuccessfully. as in not at all :P:P but mostly I am cleaning, and chatting online whenever I come around the computer. which is as often as I can ;)

[Mackenzie]: lol... I am writing... not... I need to, I am a month or more behind.

[Panda-monium]: lol. yeah, I have hit a major writers block.

[Mackenzie]: Mine should be easy, I writng about my own life. i already know the plot.

[Panda-monium]: lol, well i am writing a fantasy, but I think I am putting it away for today, cant even spit out a sentence. geez

[Mackenzie]: what is it about?

[Panda-monium]: oh well it is actually a sequel to a book I have already written...but it is about other worlds, and I Girl names Emly, and a guy named Thomas. Idk, hard to discribe, i am usually better at it but I dont have lots of time to think and write about it :P

[Mackenzie]: oh, coool

[Woah!-man]: eek O_o writers. quite scary little creatures.... >_>

[Panda-monium]: LOL. Hey now...well I suppose you would be right. :P:P

[Woah!-man]: oh but i am and you know it XD *dances* i have a niece ^_^ and i am uncle sarah XD

[Panda-monium]: um..."no comment"

[Mackenzie]: ... I have adopted step neisi

[Woah!-man]: mmm ^_^ nice... *looks around* odd, todays both great and horrible.... o.O i recieved a neice, but i lost a lover... o.o ... odd .... feelinsg are mixed up... emotions >.< ... figures... she was pro death penalty.. it was meant to happen sometime soon.

[Mackenzie]: oh....

[Woah!-man]: chew >_> death penalty is wrong.... O_o

[X-TheDarkened-X]: i think ur rite!!

[Woah!-man]: good. no debate sadly *sighs* but some one must have a problem w/it for some reason. just cuz i feel like a bit of arguing at the moment

[Pale-Suzie]: well i would love arguing with you, but i sadly am totally against death penalty and always will be...on the other hand i don't belive in locking ppl up for 50 years either. i believe that prison should heal, not punish...

[Weedy]: cant say i agree with your thinking about 50 years curly..... some people cant be healed you know

[Pale-Suzie]: i know... but i sure doesn't help to lock them up in some cell for the rest of eternaty!

[Weedy]: well what would you do then? let peter lundin and charles manson walk the streets once more ?

[Pale-Suzie]: no... but the way they do it in finland is the best way to do it i think... some ppl you can't let out again. but the most importan thing is still to heal, not punish them.

[Weedy]: so after a rocker have shot two men in the knees because they couldent pay the money they owed him he should not be punished??

[Pale-Suzie]: *sigh* never mind... i don't think we'll ever agree on that.

[Weedy]: well what would you do to heal him?? he dident do it because he was sick but simply because thats the way they solve problems

[Pale-Suzie]: by teaching him how you solve problem the rigth way. they actually already have programs like that. it's about teaching criminals how to fit in and solve things the not criminal way.

[Weedy]: and do you really belive that will work? the rockers know its not the right way to solve a it but its effective like hell so they still use it... they dont give a fuck about other people you know

[Pale-Suzie]: yeah, i do know. but you gotta at least give it a try,

[Weedy]: and what if it dosent work... are we still to let them go loose?

[Pale-Suzie]: never said anything about letting them lose. said that while they're in jail you try to heal them and you keep on trying

[Weedy]: you cant keep trying.... its a waste of resurces to keep trying something which cant be acomplished...

[Pale-Suzie]: it's also a waste of rescources having a person locked up for ever if that person could be helped back out in sociaty...

[Weedy]: well lets kill them then.... no need to waste resurces or where do you want to go ?? ... you gotta make a choice and i say its prefereable to have them locked up for eternity instead of killing them or letting them loose again

[Pale-Suzie]: i still don't agree with that... i belive you shoud lock them up, and then try to help them, so that they can get out again one day,

[Weedy]: and what if it aint working??? what if you know it wont work? are you still going to waste resurces on it then ?

[Pale-Suzie]: i don't think we're ever gonna agree

[Weedy]: nope but why do you see that as a problem? we can still discuss it

[Woah!-man]: well, even if you had a person locked up forever, they can still contribute to society in work... O_o im against the death penalty, i think its much more rude to keep them alive and in hell *evil grin* lol

[Weedy]: hehe lets make them into slaves then.... put them to work in the mines as in the old days

[Mackenzie]: The above conversation sounds like 1984. We must keep healing them???? You mean brainwashing....

[Mackenzie]: Death as your self is better than death as a brainwashed idiot

[Peregrinus]: Speaking of it, did anyone catch the 1984 quote at the end of Fahrenheit 911?

[Panda-monium]: nope, havent seen it yet. Mack: It isnt brainwash, there are programs that teach them better, its like Programs that teach you to be a better parent. Like that.

[Mackenzie]: well, yeah, But yeah, I did catch that quote!!!!!!! I was like whoa, cause no one else caught it.

[Panda-monium]: what quote?

[Mackenzie]: Eastaisa Euraisa one.

[Peregrinus]: Yes. Excellent quote too.

[Mackenzie]: true, it was, it was like, true, ya know. I loved that book. I didn't read it for school either....

[Peregrinus]: It was disturbing. The book, that is. It seems that the politicians have read it, because thy're usng a lot of the ideas, but the public hasn't, because they're not outraged.

[Woah!-man]: mmmm.... i'll have to grab the book.. try reading the revolt of the masses by jose ortega ^_^ its us humans as we are.... idiots pretty much.

[Mackenzie]: Yes, I like that book, exept that I didn't. I didnot like how it ended. Another book you must read >>>> We<<<<< that is the name. It is good, cpecially if you like 1984

[Peregrinus]: George Orwell is notorious for his depressing endings. He wanted to show people the horror of what we can do as a society.  Animal Farm does the same thing.

[Mackenzie]: mhmmm, read "we" it at least leaves you with some hope.

[Peregrinus]: Meh, hope...

[Mackenzie]: hope makes me happier...

[Peregrinus]: It should. That's what it's for.

[Mackenzie]: mhmm

[Woah!-man]: i hate hope. it destroys a person rather than making them happ;ier, especially when they cannot reach what they achieve (such as getting bush out of office.. damn)

[Mackenzie]: no... hope is all that lets a person live.

[Weedy]: Mackenzie<<< i dunno if i misunderstand your message but it wasent a conversation but a discution... i dont think we can heal them and i dont think we should try either.....

[Mackenzie]: No, but without hope, people commit suicide. They feel they have nothing to live for *knows*

[Woah!-man]: with hope i want to kill myself once i am not able to achieve what i want most... O_o .... hope is a deadly emotion if not used correctly.

[Mackenzie]: hmmmm maybe

[mbdf_virus]: whie didnt i kno about this wiki?

[Panda-monium]: lol, no idea

[mbdf_virus]: i mean, i was thinking of making a wiki like this and i know of a few others

[Woah!-man]: o.O it wasnt your time to know ?

[mbdf_virus]: what? no.

[Mackenzie]: huh?

[Panda-monium]: I know mack, I am confused too

[Mackenzie]: thank you, I was worried I was the only one

[Panda-monium]: lol... yeah I noticed it kinda dies out when there is only one person here :P:P lol\

[Mackenzie]: :)

[Panda-monium]: hehe, glad to see there is another hear who seems to not be able to make sense of the convo, I was afraid it was just my brain shutting down :P:P

[Mackenzie]: lol.

[Panda-monium]: hehe, I am finally tired at a decent time *does a half dance* meh to tired to use that kind of energy, *sits back down and sips hot chocolate*

[Mackenzie]: tired.......

[Panda-monium]: lol, me too

[BarleySinger]: [Woah!-man] I do not believe that hope destroys people. I do however believe that a lot of parents do their kids a huge disservice. They try and raise their kids (out of fear that they will be stressed out) to believe that all the world is a wonderful and perfect place...rather than the place of "tooth and claw" that it is. Life is by its nature unfair. It is not about fairness in the first place. It is about survival, about evolution, about having healthy children (physically and mentally) who grow up to have their own children. That is, after all, the biological goal of any species including ours. If you think about life in scientific and natural terms it is amazing even when gets hard.

[BarleySinger]: But these days humans (at least most westerners) live isolated from the rest of nature, not in sync with it at all. We live in human designed ecosystems (cities) and we invent our own rules, and then get used to the idea that those rules mean something real, beyond the world of human society. They teach their children to "play fair" without telling them that other people might not, why they might not...that some people are raised badly or get broken inside and end up cruel...like the cruel wolf that a wolf pack drives out eventually. Instead they are raised in a black and white world, with no real understanding or nature or of people or of the place that humans occupy in the world of life

[BarleySinger]: They are raised to believe in a bunch of bull. A life that was rooted in "happy and comforting lies" is eventually going to come face first into the hard wall of reality. Why teach people happy lies that may very well leave them unhappy, instead of just telling them truth in the first place. We live in this world...The world in which hard work sometimes pays off...bad people often live long lives, in which rich people are most often those who inherited money or who have no ethics and will do anything for a buck (Bill Gates)...the world in which lots of amazing and talented people never get to reach their potential.  Telling kids that the world is something else does not prepare them.

[BarleySinger]: They are raised to believe in a bunch of bull. A life that is rooted in "happy and comforting lies" is eventually going to come face first into the hard wall of reality. Why teach people happy lies, instead of just telling them truth in the first place. We live in this world...the world in which hard work "sometimes" pays off...bad people often live long lives, in which rich people are most often those who inherited money or who have no ethics and will do anything for a buck (Bill Gates)...the world in which lots of amazing and talented people never get to reach their potential. Telling kids lies does not prepare them for reality, and they just end up unhappy.

[Woah!-man]: sir, in your perspective, life is nothing but lies in the western civilization in which we've come to cherish and hate?

[Peregrinus]: Interesting perspective, but I find it just a little lacking in compassion of any sort. I do agree with you on many points: that the world is a cruel and unfair place, that people who do wrong are rewarded and people who do right are persecuted. I hardly think it's right, however, to teach our own children to be cutthroat and wicked. This world is lacking love more than anything, and it is those few loving souls who make this life bearable to many. The key problem is not that too many people teach their children to be fair and compasionate, but that too few do.

[Peregrinus]: If the world as a whole tought acceptance, justice, and kindness to children, rather than greed, and selfishness, it might function in a more effective manner. Of course, this will never happen. the concept is that of a visionary or dreamer. But we are not simply animals. Human beings have the capability of sentience, and we can choose to rise above the simple survival routines that constrain the natural world. Why not teach children that there are cruel people and scenarios in the world, but that it should not be a goal to be a cruel person or create cruel scenarios for others simply to further one's own wealth? Why not teach children to be philanthropists and to love their fellow man?

[Peregrinus]: And hope... hope should not be something that wears us down. Hope itself is what keeps us alive. It is despair that wears us down. Despair that we have not or will not reach our goals. That our hopes will not be realized. So my question to you is, are you hoping for the right things in your life?

[Lord Kügenheim]: your right, The world does suck. i was watching the news earlier and it was talking about the MRSA superbug. soon it came clear that the government didnt give a shit about how many people it will kill, but how much MONEY it would cost the NHS. £1,000,000 a day or something.

[Peregrinus]: Precisely. It's all about power. That's the only thing they care about. And money=power.

[Meridotahma]: He who controls the money controls the people. It is not so much that money equals power, it is more so that the one's regulating the money that the populous thrives off of has the power.

[Woah!-man]: its pathetic... the human race that is. we're the only species that i know who would give something that has no value in life only to supposedly make a better life for themselves. savage beasts... O_o and the concept of lying, being a traitor, or even murder is just.... wrong i would say. im not one who says im perfect, i just know when i have done wrong and try to correct myself of it. but when people try to pass themselves off as the best through the idea of money (something which has no value) you want to smack them over their heads and wish they werent born *caughs* and the idea of hope... for some, its just having a decent life w/no troubles at all... but that never ever happens...